A Conversation

  • Dani Gal
  • Sabeth Buchmann


The following interview text is drawn from numerous conversations that the art historian Sabeth Buchmann held between August and December 2020 with the artist Dani Gal, during which they discussed his film trilogy Night and Fog (2011), As From Afar (2013), and White City (2018). The focus of these conversations lay on the cinematographic engagement with the politics of history, the ethics, and the artistic/aesthetic dilemma underlying the current debates on the location of the Holocaust in the context of colonialism and its appertaining genocides. On the basis of artistic and scholarly research and inspired by the concepts of “multidirectional memory”, “unsettling empathy”, and integrative trauma research, the interview explores Gal’s programmatically speculative (re-)enactments of historical victim/perpetrator relationships with regard to both historical and present iterations of antisemitism, Islamophobia, and racism. Revealing a pluralistic and contradictory web of German, Jewish, and Palestinian (hi)stories, the interview ultimately demonstrates the specific contribution made by art to a multiperspectival reconception of cultural thought.


Author Biographies

Dani Gal

Dani Gal, geboren in Jerusalem, lebt und arbeitet in Berlin. Seine Filme und künstleri- schen Arbeiten wurden u.a. in folgenden Museen und bei diesen Festivals präsentiert: 54. Biennale in Venedig (2011), Biennale in Istanbul (2011), New Museum New York (2012), Kunsthalle St. Gallen (2013), The Jewish Museum New York (2014), Berlinale Forum Expanded (2014), Kunsthaus Zürich (2015) Kunsthalle Wien (2015), Documenta 14 (2017), Centre Pompidou (2018), Club TransMediale Festival Berlin (2020), Steiri- scher Herbst Festival, Graz (2020), EMAF Festival (2021). Im Jahr 2019 war er artist-in- residence der Blood Mountain Projects und forschte und arbeitete am VWI.

Sabeth Buchmann

Sabeth Buchmann (Berlin/Wien) ist Kunsthistorikerin und Kunstkritikerin. Sie ist Pro- fessorin für Moderne und Postmoderne Kunst an der Akademie für Bildende Künste Wien. Buchmann forscht zu konzeptuellen Werkformaten in den bildenden Künsten, in Performances, Film und neuen Medien. Publikationen (Auswahl): Denken gegen das Denken: Produktion Technologie Subjektivität bei Sol LeWitt, Yvonne Rainer and Hélio Oiticica (2007) und Hélio Oiticica and Neville D’Almeida: Block- Experiments in Cosmo- coca—program in progress (2013, Koautorin), als Mitherausgeberin: Putting Rehearsals to the Test: Practices of Rehearsal in Fine Arts, Film, Theater, Theory, and Politics (2016), Film, Avantgarde, Biopolitik (2009) and Art After Conceptual Art (2006) und PoLYpeN, eine Buchreihe zu Kunstkritik und politischer Theorie (b_books, Berlin).

How to Cite
Gal, Dani, and Sabeth Buchmann. 2021. “A Conversation”. S: I.M.O.N. Shoah: Intervention. Methods. Documentation. 8 (1), 114-37. https://doi.org/10.23777/SN.0121/EVE_DGAL01.